Decesnadnts of Alexender Stephens just have no clue—–

Rob Baker thinks he has really found something of a smoking gun as he writes an article about Alexander Stephens (VP of the Confederacy) ancestor calling for Confederate statues to come down.
https://historicstruggle.wordpress.com/2017/08/25/ancestor-of-alexander-stephens-speaks-out/

As I have said many times ignorance of history infects all levels of education and classes of people. Stephens ancestor is no exception. Let’s take a look shall we? Oh before we start Remember the Sacco article “Should Historians make Judgments” bakers article fits right in that groove.

Baker first mentions the Cornerstone Speech by Stephens– DOESN”T EVERYONE??? Anyway When yoou read the Cornerstone speech, be sure to note these two parts—

The Cornerstone Speech was delivered without notes by Vice President Alexander H. Stephens, and no official printed version exists, although a local newspaper reporter printed a transcription of the speech later that same week. The text below was taken from that newspaper article in the Savannah [Georgia] Republican, as reprinted in Henry Cleveland, Alexander H. Stephens, in Public and Private: With Letters and Speeches, before, during, and since the War, Philadelphia, 1886, pp. 717-729.

and

[REPORTER’S NOTE. — Your reporter begs to state that the above is not a perfect report, but only such a sketch of the address of Mr. Stephens as embraces, in his judgment, the most important points presented by the orator. — G.]

So we see by these notes that this IS NOT an accurate transcription of the Cornerstone speech. Therefore it should not be used in a historical discussion.

And that is all Baker really has except for some comments of ill informed two brothers who claim to be descendants of VP A. Stephens. Maybe they are maybe they are not, who knows?? At any rate Baker and the Stephens boys, you should not judge unless you have the full facts.

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Answering one question—

Should Historians Make “Judgements” About the Past in their Scholarship? Nick Sacco

https://pastexplore.wordpress.com/2017/08/25/should-historians-make-judgements-about-the-past-in-their-scholarship/#comments

In a nutshell no historian should make a judgement in his writing. The reason is simple he should be able to give complete information about an issue or subject in an unbiased manner. I will honestly say that none of the so called historians I have tried to debate will give you an unbiased review of past events. That point is proven here on COLD SOUTHERN STEEL.

2017 GAR Resolution

2017 GAR Resolution

Our Union counterparts have more nerve than the National UDC

SONS OF UNION VETERANS

Battlefield Flag and Monument Policy
As approved during the 136th National Encampment
Lansing, Michigan, 2017

WHEREAS, we, as the descendants of Union soldiers, sailors and marines and revenue cutter servicemen who, as members of the Grand Army of the Republic, met in joint reunions with Confederate veterans under both flags in the bond of unity.

WHEREAS, we, as members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War strongly condemn the use of any American or Confederate flag by any and all hate groups.

WHEREAS, we the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War strongly condemn the removal, defacement or destruction of any Civil War Veterans Monument or tablet, whether Union or confederate.

WHEREAS, we, the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, support the flying of all U.S. and C.S.A. flags at our National Battlefield sites and to be honored publicly in museums as our authentic archival documentation of our National past.

THEREFORE, we, the members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War are committed to teaching the history of the American Civil War in our educational system and ask that all descendants of Civil War participants join us in this endeavor.

**********************************************************

I could not find a link to the national SUV website that was not corrupted, I will use this a verification.
http://www.iowasuvcw.org/

GP

In a sense the governor is right—

I have been very busy lately with various projects, to his credit so has Al Mackey. He has been keeping his keyboard hot in spreading his mis-information and untruths. Mackey is so busy with his attacks, it is almost impossible to keep pace with him unless one stays on the computer all day.

See https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2017/08/23/maines-delusional-governor-shows-his-ignorance-again/

This posting is about Mackey attacking Gov. Paul LePage, of Maine because of comments he war regarding the Cause of the War of Northern Aggression and the number of people from Maine who fought for the Confederacy. These comment6s were, according to Mackey—
In a radio interview Tuesday, August 22, 2017, LePage said, “What was the war? If you really truly read and study the Civil War, it was turned into a battle for the slaves, but initially — I mean, 7,600 Mainers fought for the Confederacy. And they fought because they were concerned about — they were farmers — and they were concerned about their land. Their property. It was a property rights issue as it began. The President of the United States, who was a very brilliant politician, really made it about slavery to a great degree.”

To be honest I am almost sure that no one person can give you accurate information on how many Mainers fought for the South. That being the case I won’t even argue the numbers without some sort of credible sources detailing these men’s service and state the place of birth or residence background. Heck for that matter there is no absolute number on how many men from Mississippi actually served the Confederacy!!!!!

The cause of the war, to my point of view, would be somewhat of a stretch to say it was about land, unless we are talking about Fort Sumter land. However I will give the good Governor the benefit of the doubt because I just assume he he is somewhat right until proven wrong by historical documents.

That brings us to the worn out issue of slavery. Man you would think that Mackey instead of spending so much time on the computer, would at least spend SOME time doing some actual credible research to support his points. Instead of some historical facts proving that the war was about slavery Mackey makes this generic statement—
Anyone who has read what the secessionists said and wrote knows the root cause of the war was always slavery. They weren’t concerned about their land, they were concerned about maintaining slavery.

I for one don’t know ALL what the secessionist said, but I will say this I have never read anywhere, in any document or speech the “secessionist” said we are going to war for slavery. To be honest I have never read where Lincoln or any other Union man of authority said we are going to war to free the slaves. Just one example of the slavery issue, West Virginia came into the Union as a slave state. Please do not believe me, look this info up for yourself.

According to Mackey, David Blight Historian at Yale Univ. had this to say —-
CNN interviewed two historians, David Blight of Yale University and Matthew Karp of Princeton University. “David Blight, Civil War historian and professor at Yale, told CNN in an interview that it was doubtful more than a handful of Mainers fought for the Confederacy. The state of Maine was one of the strongest supporters of the Union. Blight also took issue with LePage’s claim that the Civil War was initially a conflict over land. ‘That’s patented nonsense. It’s appalling degree of ignorance and misinformation by a governor of a New England state, or any state for that matter,’ he said. Blight reiterated that the war was fought over slavery and its expansion into new territories. ‘This war was rooted in the problem racial slavery and its expansion, and the ways in which that issue tore apart the American political system and then tore apart the Union,’ Blight said. ‘And to say that the war was only in the interest of farmers worried about their property rights is beyond ridiculous in the 21st century.’

Again no citation for Blight’s comments. I really don’t know of the interview, time allowing I may try to find it and post some comments,

“Matthew Karp, a Civil War historian at Princeton University, told CNN ‘the idea that Maine was a Confederate hotbed is pretty ludicrous.’ ————–
‘Slaveholders believed their right to human property was enshrined in the Constitution, while Lincoln and the Republicans did not — a major reason that so many slave-holding leaders embraced secession after Lincoln was elected.’ “

I can agree with Karp that slavery was ONE cause of secession, but not the only cause. Tariffs, and Indian raids was also a cause. Again I challenge you to look it up.

My last comment on this page, I will write Mr. David Blight of Yale university to see if he has any additional comments he desires to make. There is a list here of what appears to be about 10 pages of contact info for Prof. Blight — https://www.yale.edu/search/google/BLIGHT?query=BLIGHT
I am gonna attempt to make contact with him by way of this address—

David Blight | Department of History

David W. Blight is Class of 1954 Professor of American History at Yale University, joining that faculty in January, 2003. He previously taught at Amherst College …
history.yale.edu/people/david-blight

Frankly I have trouble believing that an educated man, a teacher, a person with an unbiased view, actually believes SLAVERY was the cause of the WBTS

This is a good joke

Al Mackey send us to a blog GPB news at http://gpbnews.org/post/why-understanding-civil-war-monuments-matters.

The title of this particular article is Why Understanding Civil War Monuments Matters Ok nothing so bad there reading down I notice they DID NOT interview no pro-Confederate person. NOT ONE I am telling you. They did interview some anti- Confederate people like KEVIN LEVIN (OH MY GOSH) you know he is not biased.

At any rate they make the statement “but a new study about these symbols raises questions about how much Confederate enthusiasts known about the Confederacy.”
Let me just say this you will never know how much a Confederate enthusiasts knows about the Confederacy unless you interview one.

Let me also make this perfectly clear Celeste Headlee & Sean Powers, if you want to know how much I know why don’t you come here and debate me in a civil manner? Or you can bring yourself down to Mississippi and I will introduce you to some very educated and unbiased Confederate enthusiasts who are very capable of educating you. Either invitation is open end, show up at any time. A little advance notice on the Mississippi visit please.

Oh and anyone who can comment on the GPB blog, please pass these comments to Celeste and Sean.

George Purvis

And Mackeys 2nd attempt at showing hate

In this post Mackey comes right out of the box calling pro-Confederate marchers “white supremacists.” I noticed he failed to call the anti- Confederate group of protesters any names. Why Mackey are you a bigot?

Trump has it right he called both sides for their actions.

I see that Mackey blames the pro group for the violence, yet he cannot prove who started the fights. Why is that Mackey? Were you where the first punch was thrown?? No you are too much of a coward for that.

I also saw on the new a few Black Lives Matter signs, could these be black racist, why didn’t you call that Mackey? When are you going to speak out about racism from that quarter?

Mackey never mind about answering these questions, we all know you have no backbone for a civil factual discussion. We know your heart is filled with hate for anything Confederate. We know you are a bigot, and we well know that you lie about the facts of the War Of Northern Aggression.

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2017/08/12/who-supports-confederate-monuments/

Ignorance in pictures

Hooo Hummm Al Mackey is scrapping the bottom of the barrel when he posts some select phoytoes from Charlottesville at https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/is-it-valid-to-compare-confederates-with-nazis/

What a feeble attempt to paint anyone who attempts to protect their history and their heritage from being removed by a bunch of IDIOTS. Yes I say IDIOTS they haven’t a clue about the history of the Confederacy, just like you. Were you the one who taught them Mackey??

And Speaking of Nazi’s isn’t it more like the Nazi’s to remove a statue thru hate and ignorance than anyone else? Isn’t that what you advocate Mackey? Yes this is a valid comparison. to you and Nazi’s

YOU SHOULD REALLY LOOK IN A MIRROR