Hummmmm????

Ever notice the Sons of Union Veterans and the Sons of United States Colored Troops are still separate groups????

http://www.suvcw.org/?page_id=129 — You must directly descend from a Soldier, Sailor, Marine or member of the Revenue Cutter Service (or directly descend from a brother, sister, half-brother, or half-sister of such Soldier, etc.) who was regularly mustered and served honorably in, was honorably discharged from, or died in the service of, the Army, Navy, Marine Corps or Revenue Cutter Service of the United States of America or in such state regiments called to active service and was subject to the orders of United States general officers, between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865.

USCT —  Descendant Members: Will be those who have established an ancestral link to ancestors of black or white soldiers that served in the USCT.

So in this age of being inclusive, why are they still separate groups????

Could this be the reason????

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9501E0D8143AE533A2575AC0A96E9C94609ED7CF

They May Withdraw
Southern Grand Army Men Won’t Affiliate With Colored Veterans:
The New York Times, August 9, 1891

New Orleans: August 8—-Angry, disappointed, bordering on indignation, was expressed on all sides by the leading spirits of the Grand Army posts here when the news was received that colored veterans must be given free recognition and admission to the order. The greater part of the officers of the white posts are ensconced in comfortable berths in the Custom House, and there is indignation over the action of the national body was greatest.

Private telegrams announced that under the new decision matters would remain as heretofore. “That means,” said a prominent Federal official, “that we will act as we did last year and just decline to allow colored posts representation in the Department Council. If we are forced to give then recognition, we will probably surrender our charter and then convert our organization into a social, fraternal and benevolent order for white ex-soldiers.”

This is the general sentiment expressed by all white veterans. The demand for recognition in the Grand Army of the Republic ranks by the Negroes is regarded as a political move of their leaders. Colonel Jim Lewis is charged with desiring to elect himself Department Commander so as to secure a fat Federal office. The white veterans give as one of the reasons for their dissatisfaction the fact that large numbers of the members of the colored posts are only thirty or thirty-five years old, and consequently could not have been old enough to bear a musket in the war. It is said that when the late Department Commander, Jacob Gray, saw he could not be re-elected by the white posts, he granted enough charters to colored posts to accomplish that object, but he was checked by the political shrewdness of the white delegates.

To organize eight colored posts in as many days required rapid work, and it is charged that men were mustered into the new posts 100 at a time without the production of their discharge papers or, indeed, any further investigation into the question whether they served or not (other) than their own statements. The white Grand Army members in Louisiana number over a thousand. If they cut off from all connection with the national organization, it is very probable the other Southern States contending with the same problem will also withdraw, and that they will all unite in one grand organization limited to the South, and surrender to the colored comrades the control as well as the membership of the regular Grand Army organization in their States.

Another singular complication arises from the fact that the Negro brigade which fought with such unquestioned gallantry on the right of the Federal line at Port Hudson (and of which Lewis and most of the Grand Army claimants are members) was made up of the original native grand guard regiments which were organized under authority from Richmond and sworn into the Confederate service before the capture of this city by Butler, which fact would disbar them from membership in the Grand Army.

(the last statement in bold is not quite true)

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2 thoughts on “Hummmmm????

  1. Well, damn George, there you go pointing out facts that I’m sure Simpson.Levin and the rest of their peanut gallery will have copious amount of wailing and teeth gnashing refuting you find.
    I wonder if Levin will accept this as a fact there were Black Confederates before March 1865.

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