neo- yankee hypocrisy

Al Mackey recently made a blog post about the Sand Creek massacre by yankee troops in the WBTS. I do not recall him condemning this atrocity at all in his post. Now he decides that he must post a very biased article about the Confederate flag and slavery– Why You Can’t Separate The Confederate Flag from its History at http://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/why-you-cant-separate-the-confederate-flag-from-its-history/

This is not Mackey’s original work but rather a re-blog and paste of one Jarrett Ruminski’s blog posts at http://thatdevilhistory.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/why-you-cant-separate-the-confederate-flag-from-its-history/ who claims to be a historian with PHD credentials.

let’s copy and paste Mr. Ruminski’s comments at Mackey’s blog —

jarretr · August 1, 2014 – 4:02 pm · Reply→
Thanks for re-blogging the post, Al. Regarding the issue of blaming the United States for slavery: historians have written exhaustively on this topic. I’ve covered it on several past posts on my blog, including this post: http://thatdevilhistory.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/slaverys-legacy-why-race-matters-in-america/.

So the idea that historians don’t assign a fair amount of “blame” to the U.S. for slavery is utter nonsense and demonstrates that people who make such a claim have not read the wealth of historical scholarship produced over the last FIFTY years or so.

Secondly, to Josephine’s point: “It is really hard to respect what you all write when you ignore the facts about the USA Flag while like a bully constantly pound away at the Confederate Flag.” This is a version of the “two wrongs make a right argument.” As I noted in my post, the U.S. Constitution was indeed a pro-slavery document. But what makes the Confederacy unique is the the fact that it tried to end the sectional debates over slavery by creating a new country in which slavery would be legally defended forever. That’s called being on the wrong side of history, and the Confederacy is guilty-as-charged.

One of the tiring things about having any discussions about the Rebel flag’s legacy is that neo-Confederates don’t do primary research. Notice how in my post I highlight sections from the Confederate Constitution to show how it explicitly defended slavery. Further, in other posts, I’ve covered the Southern Secession commissioners who flocked across the South in 1860-61 to convince border South states to secede alongside the Deep South. Their speeches were FILLED with vile, white supremacist rhetoric, and they made clear that the Confederacy was formed to protect slavery. Mississippi secession commissioner William Harris,for example, told a Georgia audience that, “Our fathers made this government for the white man, rejecting the negro, as an ignorant, inferior, barbarian race.” This new [Lincoln] administration comes into power, under the solemn pledge to overturn and strike down this great feature of our Union…and to substitute in its stead their new theory of the universal equality of the black and white races.”

It’s this kind of primary source rhetoric that neo-Confederates just don’t talk about. Read more at my previous post: http://thatdevilhistory.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/big-government-and-race-an-american-saga/. And if you want full transcriptions of the secession commissioners’ speeches, see this sight: http://civilwarcauses.org/commish.htm or read Chrles Dew’s book, “Apostles of Disunion: Southern Secession Commissioners and the Causes of the Civil War” (University of Virginia Press).

Finally, regarding my calling SCV-types “historically illiterate bubbas.” Perhaps I’m guilty of a bit of crassness there. On the other hand, if the shoe fits, I’m not afraid to make the wearer try on the right size.

Thanks again for the cross-post, Al.

– Jarret Ruminski

I will be going there later but right now I have other issues to address.

George

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10 thoughts on “neo- yankee hypocrisy

  1. Here is a comment I added to Jarrett Ruminski’s blog post——

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    You told me your post was not biased and free of cherry picking. Let’s take a look at it shall we?
    It seems to me your problem is with a high school and you cherry picked some facts to support your claim of racism.
    Your first fact the Cornerstone speech — Let’s look at some important facts about that document —
    http://civilwarcauses.org/corner.htm
    The Cornerstone Speech was delivered extemporaneously by Vice President Alexander H. Stephens, and no official printed version exists. The text below was taken from a newspaper article in the Savannah Republican, as reprinted in Henry Cleveland, Alexander H. Stephens, in Public and Private: With Letters and Speeches, before, during, and since the War, Philadelphia, 1886, pp. 717-729.

    Speech and then this —[REPORTER’S NOTE. — Your reporter begs to state that the above is not a perfect report, but only such a sketch of the address of Mr. Stephens as embraces, in his judgment, the most important points presented by the orator. — G.]
    So the Cornerstone speech is useless as any sort of proof of the Confederacy fighting for slavery.

    You slur aside how about proving the Confederacy fought to preserve the institution. As a PHD you should have some document that proves this fact beyond a shadow of doubt. Let’s see it. Now it could it could also be said the United States was fighting to preserve the institution because under Article 1 section 9 reads—
    The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
    The Confederate Constitution states — The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same. Congress shall also have power to prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or territory not belonging to, this Confederacy.

    An outright ban on the importation of African slaves!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If there was no slavery in the United States then why the need for the 13th Amendment?

    Moving on we see you post a photo of the KK holding a Confederate Battle flag. I suggest you visit —
    http://www.rulen.com/kkk/
    http://www.kkklan.com/trueflag.htm

    The remainder of you posts is nothing but rambling biased opinions of yours. Meaningless really. It is well documented the racism of Lincoln and Grant and Sherman – under the United States flag. If you would like to go into that discussion we can.

    Oh yes I also took one of your comments from Al Mackey’s blog and reposted it on Cold Southern Steel here– https://coldsouthernsteel.wordpress.com/2014/08/02/neo-yankee-hypocrisy/

    • That little weasel wouldn’t respond to my post. Fact is he would not let it stay up. He does let insults by Jimmy Dick and Rob Baker to be posted. Boy you talk about yankee historians, the whole lot of them are just a bunch of biased bigots!!!!!!!

  2. And cowards. Simpson, Baker, Hall, Levin etc. etc. All of them permit those with an opposing view to be endlessly insulted, but will not allow insults to be directed at those with whom they agree. They only fight if their opponent has one hand tied behind his back. And then, boy-oh-boy are they ever tough.

    • I don’t mind the insults, it just exposes these blogs for what they really are. In fact it could be said I go there just to get them in an uproar. Here I won’t allow such antics, I wnat everyone to feel like they are treated equal and their points of view, regardless of which side the issue they stand, is taken seriously.

    • Welcome To Cold southern Steel. Rest assured you will not be insulted here UNLESS you insult first at which time i will no longer approve your comments.

      Best —- That is a matter of opinion.

      I will open this discussion if you don’t mind. As I posted to you blog, link found above. What is the official flag of the KKK?

      • First off, the KKK is not, nor has it ever been, a centralized organization. Rather, its a loosely organized series of individual chapters across the country that have used a variety of flags and symbols in the past and today, including the various Confederate flags. During Reconstruction, the KKK often flew the Rebel flag because its members were, in fact, former Confederate soldiers. During the 1920s, the Klan was reacting to mass immigration of Catholics and other non-WASPS into American society, so they tended to fly Old Glory to make the point that they were, in fact, “real” Americans. Today, the Klan is a disorganized shadow of its former self and uses a variety of flags and symbols, including the U.S. and Rebel flag. So, in short, there is no “official” flag of the KKK because there has never been an “official” KKK.

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