Rob Baker, The Tea party and History

Rob baker is on the attack again wielding his sword of ignorance at Southern heritage groups, the Tea party and history of the War for Southern Independence. http://historicstruggle.wordpress.com/2014/06/28/confederate-tea-party/

Here Baker claims the Southern Soldier was fighting to preserve the institution of slavery. Baker offers no proof of his OPINION. However in other discussions with Baker I know he brings as his proof positive for this statement the Declarations of immediate Causes for secession and Stephen’s Cornerstone speech. Of course neither of these documents mentions going to war. On the other hand Baker completely ignores the Crittenden resolution. Corwin Amendment, and Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greely, and the Lincoln quote “what about my tariff.” Each one of these documents will stand on their own and prove the war was not about slavery.
It is easy to expose his ignorance of history here just by referencing the Cold Southern Steel post at https://coldsouthernsteel.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/279/
All one has to do is read baker’s comments to see his lack of knowledge of the war.

Baker goes on trying to draw comparisons between the Tea Party and Southern Heritage groups and the use of insults. I cannot see any comparison between the Tea Party and the Confederacy except both are against high taxes. I am sure there are some Northern Tea parties with people in them that have no connection to the South. So Baker what is your point??? I am guilty of insults so is Baker. But there is a difference between the two of us. I never said I wouldn’t insult Baker, Mackey, Dick, Simpson, Levin or Hall. I have no policy on insults. My NEW policy for comments is posted below the articles however at the Cold Southern Steel link posted above Baker claims to have changed his policy regarding insults on his blog. In the comment section we see this comment
Jimmy Dick says:
June 29, 2014 at 1:21 AM
Nice to see Dunford doing the usual running of the mouth while doing no historical work whatsoever. My students are amazed that people like him exist in the world, but then they realize the KKK exists and are supported by Jerry’s kind.

Yes Baker your are correct as you said on your post “but like-minded individuals rarely disagree with one another.”

Borrowed Backsass —- Commenting policy: I will let through what I want to, and block what I want to based on whatever criteria or standards or whim I choose.

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Delta is ready when you are

This should put a smile on your face.

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Delta Is Ready When You Are

“When the 1992 presidential primaries moved South, the media was full of references to “the Bubba vote.” Yet, when the primaries were in the East, nobody referred to the “Loud-Talking Yankee vote.” When they went to the Midwest, there was no mention of “the Frozen Fools vote.” When it was time for the California primary, there was nothing said about “the Nut and Fruit vote.”
Just the South. And I’m always a “Southern columnist,” or “Southern humorist,” or “that redneck from Atlanta.”
Ever hear of Mike Royko being referred to as a “mid-western columnist”? Or Dave Barry, of The Miami Herald, a “Cuban columnist”?
If you’re Southern, it’s always going to be mentioned. “Why don’t you people forget the Civil War?” I’ve heard so often from Northerners. Well, why don’t y’all leave us the hell alone and stop thinking of the South as an odd appendage? How about stopping with the stereotyping already? The “Bubba vote,” indeed.
I had a man write me a letter years ago . . . He had been called “Bubba” by family and friends for thirty-five years. He came from a small Georgia town and had gone to work with a large national firm in Atlanta. His boss . . . had been transplanted from New York [and said he] could no longer use the name “Bubba.’ “He said it sounded too “Southern and ignorant.”
[I] was incensed that the son of a bitch from New York City would say “too Southern and ignorant.” What if the man had been named “Booker T.”? would that have been too “black and ignorant”? What if he had been named “Dances with Fat girls”? “Too Indian and insensitive to persons of size?”
So I told the Bubba who wrote the letter to tell the jerk who wanted him to drop his name to kiss his ass and see if he could find a job with a firm that wasn’t being run by a lot of Yankees who looked down on Southerners and had their heads in their asses (cranial rectitus).
Another wrote, “I was transferred to Atlanta from New York six years ago. Every time I return to Atlanta on an airplane, I expect the stewardesses to say, “Welcome to Atlanta. Set your watch back two decades.” A woman wrote, “You Bubbas are all alike. All you can think about is football, beer swilling, and hillbilly music.”
My response to the first writer was, “Oh yeah? Every time I fly into New York, I expect the stewardess to say, “Welcome to New York. Get off the plane at your own risk.” To the other, I responded, “Read this: Delta is ready when you are.”
“Too Southern and ignorant . . .“ It makes my blood boil.”
(I Havent Understood Anything Since 1962, And Other Nekkid Truths, Lewis Grizzard, Villard Books, 1992, pp. 146-147)

The Union Saved, the Republic Lost

The Union Saved, the Republic Lost

From: bernhard1848@gmail.com

With the South out of Congress since 1861 and no Southern leadership to provide a conservative and responsible voice in US government, the predictable occurred. As a soldier Grant was a butcher who sent wave after wave of new recruits to wear down the thin Southern brigades; as a politician, Orville H. Browning of Illinois described Grant as “weak, vain, ignorant, mercenary, selfish and malignant”; that he was surrounded by corrupt and unprincipled men and that his reelection would be a great calamity to the country.”

The Union Saved, the Republic Lost

“The eight years of Grant’s administration rocked with one scandal after another. Citizens defrauded the government in the acquisition of land and in claims for [Northern veteran] pensions; contractors supplying the army and navy were often venal; and unscrupulous lawyers levied toll on ignorant and defenseless Indians.

Members of Congress were bribed and disgraced. Cabinet officers were investigated and impeached. Subordinate officials and employees were revealed in outright betrayal of public trust. Never had the Republic sunk to so low an estate of official morality.

During the 1870s there was both incompetence and dishonesty in the large customhouses; discipline and integrity among the navy-yard labor forces were at a low ebb; the Indian service had been roundly condemned by [James] Garfield; land agents connived at irregularities, and surveyors made fraudulent claims for work not performed.

The tone of the eight years of Grant’s administration was . . . set by a small number of weak and unreliable persons holding seats in Congress and in high executive office. It was during these years that the most resounding scandals occurred, not only in Washington but in many States and cities. When the mighty wandered far from the paths of rectitude, it was not surprising that some of the lesser ranks followed their example.

To a few of the scandals we turn . . . The Credit Mobilier . . . originally organized to finance railroad construction, [it] fell into the control of a group of adventurers, including a member of Congress, Oakes Ames. The corporation was awarded a lucrative but fraudulent contract for the . . . [Union Pacific Railroad and disgraced Grant’s] Vice Presidents Colfax and Wilson.

Laxness or corruption in the award of Indian trading posts had been suspected for some time under General [William] Belknap’s administration of the War Department. [Secretary of the Navy George M. Robeson levied] percentages on . . . contractors’ engagements with the navy, [and] Robeson grew rich. [Secretary of the Treasury John D. Sanborn, a protégé of Benjamin Butler, siphoned money destined for the Internal Revenue Service].

The most dramatic and perhaps the most damaging evidence of corruption during the Grant administration involved the evasion of internal revenue taxes on distilleries. Fraud had long been suspected [and persons involved] included General John A. McDonald, collector of internal revenue in St. Louis . . . other collectors, the chief clerk of the internal revenue division of the Treasury Department in Washington [and] General Orville Babcock, President Grant’s private secretary, who was subsequently indicted but who escaped conviction.”

(The Republican Era, 1869-1901, A Study in Administrative History, Leonard D. White, Macmillan Company, 1958, excerpts pp. 366-373)

General Forrest Celebration

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We hope that y’all are planning to come to Ole Bedford’s 15th Annual Birthday Celebration at Fort Dixie this July 12, 2014!!! Cannon Fires kickoff at 3:00 PM.We are planning a DOUBLE-BARREL CELEBRATION this year…we have a VICTORY against the City of Selma…we have the deed to Confederate Circle as of Jan 27, 2014 and our crew has been back at work since April 16, 2014!!!

We are planning a special day for General Forrest this year & we hope that you will make plans to come celebrate with us. I am attaching my annual newsletter to this message so that you might read in detail the update on our situation here in Selma. If you cannot open the attachment please send me an e-mail & I will copy & paste it to you. I have mailed out several hundred packages via snail mail to our supporters which includes drawing tickets for the bronze mini bust of General Forrest. If you would like tickets & have not received a package from me in the mail, please send me an e-mail & I will send you the page of tickets via pdf attachment & you can print them off & send tickets & check back to me. Print as many as you would like to buy and also let your friends know about the drawing if they would like to participate. All proceeds go to our Security & Beautification & Enhancement project in Confederate Circle.

I would like you all to know that since this case has ended and our men have been back at work in Confederate Circle, we have had no problems with Rose Sanders or her footsoldiers. The judge has maintained jurisdiction over this case for 365 days to make sure the settlement stipulations are complied with.

Again, I want to thank everyone for their support during this THIRD BATTLE FOR SELMA…we could not have prevailed had it not been for your prayers, friendship, moral and financial support. Thank you for believing in our cause here in Selma to pay homage to General Nathan B. Forrest which he is so honorably deserving for his valiant defense of Selma. We are very thankful that we had a federal judge who obviously respected the rule of law!

If any of you have any questions about our case, please don’t hesitate to call me. I will be happy to discuss it with you! If you need directions to Fort Dixie, send me an e-mail & I will send the directions to you.

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Extermination Considered for Those in the Path of Progress

Extermination Considered for Those in the Path of Progress

Not only were the Southern Whites under attack, but as we all know the Americian Indian was also.

Extermination Considered for Those in the Path of Progress

“After the close of the Civil War the Commissioner of Indian Affairs reported the number of Indians in these figures: civilized, 97,000; semi-civilized, 125,000; wholly barbarous, 78,000. The advancing fronts of [western white migration] suddenly became even more threatening as the Union Pacific Railroad cut across the middle of the Indian Territory in 1869 and as other lines pushed ahead of settlement into the northern plains and the southwest.

This critical change was noted in a telling passage of his 1869 report by [former Northern general and] Secretary of the Interior Jacob D. Cox:

“The completion of one of the great lines of railway to the Pacific coast has totally changed the conditions under which the civilized population of the country come[s] in contact with the wild tribes . . . the very center of the desert has been pierced. Daily trains are carrying thousands of our citizens and untold values of merchandise across the continent, and must be protected from the danger of having hostile tribes on either side of the route. The range of the buffalo is being rapidly restricted, and the chase is becoming an uncertain reliance to the Indian for the sustenance of his family . . . “

The situation of the Indian thus became more desperate and the years from 1865 to 1870 were filled with war and threats of war. At the opening of Grant’s administration it was obvious that Indian policy had to be reconsidered. Three possibilities were discussed: (1.) Extermination; (2.) compulsory location of the tribes on reservations; (3.) eventual civilization, with full absorption into white culture.

The prevailing sentiment on the frontier was in favor of extermination. The savage tribes were entitled, in this view, to no more consideration than dangerous wild beasts, and like them should be killed off to make way for civilization – and land. Such sentiments were abhorred in the East and among the religious denominations.

Compulsory settlement . . . on reservations with government rations, clothing, and certain services was by far the dominant opinion . . . [Secretary of the Interior Columbus Delano reported in 1873 that under government supervision that the Indian’s] intellectual, moral and religious culture can be prosecuted, and thus it is hoped than humanity and kindness may take the place of barbarity and cruelty.

[Should any tribes refuse] then the policy contemplates the treatment of such tribe or band with all needed severity, to punish them for outrages according to their merits, thereby teaching them that it is better to follow the advice of the Government, live upon reservations and become civilized, than to continue their native habits and practices.”

(The Republican Era, 1869-1901, A Study in Administrative History, Leonard D. White, MacMillan Company, 1957, pp. 181-182)

Grant’s Whole Phantasmagoria of Insolent Fraud:

Grant’s Whole Phantasmagoria of Insolent Fraud:

“All the cost of the Civil War can, in fact, not be learned from Grant, and though he presided over the country in the White House for eight years after the war (1869-1877), the consequences of Northern victory, with its unleashing of the money-grabbing interests, were quite beyond his grasp. Grant’s Memoirs, like the writings of Lincoln, are after all, a literary creation, and intellectual construction with words. They are a part of that vision of the Civil War that Lincoln imposed on the nation, and we accept them as firsthand evidence of the actualization of that vision.

[F]ormer Vice-President Andrew Johnson . . . was opposed by the Radical Republicans, who even tried to remove him as President and who, in the period of “Reconstruction,” humiliated and exploited the South. This period would certainly have been difficult for Lincoln. He was dead and safely out of it, but Grant was still alive and only forty-three.

Simple-minded beyond the experience of Wall Street or State Street, he resorted, like most men of the same intellectual caliber, to commonplaces when at a loss for expression: “Let us have peace” . . . The progress of evolution from President Washington to President Grant, was alone enough to upset Darwin.

He had the idea, for example, that it might be an excellent thing to send some of the freed Negroes to Haiti, and he had taken advantage of a situation created by two rival governments there to draw up with one of its Presidents a treaty for the annexation of the whole island of Santo Domingo.

His appointments to his cabinet were often fantastic: he had no judgment about people in civil life, and he appointed as Secretary of the Treasury the proprietor of a large New York dry-goods store, unaware that anyone in foreign trade was debarred from holding this office; for Minister to France he selected a half-illiterate Illinois Congressman.

Under Grant’s two administrations, there flapped through the national capital a whole phantasmagoria of insolent fraud, while a swarm of predatory adventurers was let loose on the helpless South. There was the Credit Mobilier affair, in which the promoters of the Union Pacific Railroad, who had obtained an immense government loan and twelve millions acres of government land, made a contract with themselves under another name and paid themselves three times more than the cost of building the railroad, in the meantime bribing the congressmen with shares in the imaginary company.

There was the gold conspiracy of [Big] Jim Fisk and Jay Gould, in which Grant was persuaded by these two financiers, without in the least understanding their aims, to assist them in cornering the gold market by causing the United States Treasury to shut off the circulation of gold. There was the Whiskey Ring, a group of distillers who evade the internal revenue tax by bribing Treasury agents – a scandal that landed at the President’s door when his secretary, a General Babcock who was with him at Appomattox, was shown to have been taking the distillers’ money and to have used it in financing Grant’s campaign.

One can hardly even say that Grant was President except in the sense that he presided at the White House, where the business men and financiers were extremely happy to have him, since he never knew what they were up to. It was the age of the audacious confidence man, and Grant was the incurable sucker.”

(Patriotic Gore, Studies in Literature of the American Civil War, Edmund Wilson, Oxford University Press, 1962, pp. 159-167)

Thomas Jefferson

Received in an email. I have not verified anything at this time. If someone is willing I would appreciate your effort.

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Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started
learning very early in life and never stopped.

At 5, began studying under his cousin’s tutor.

At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

At 14, studied classical literature and additional
languages.

At 16, entered the College of William and Mary. Also
could write in Greek with one hand while writing the same in Latin with the
other.

At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George
Wythe.

At 23, started his own law practice.

At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.

At 31, wrote the widely circulated “Summary View of
the Rights of British America? And retired from his law practice.

At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental
Congress.

At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.

At 33, took three years to revise Virginia’s legal
code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia
succeeding Patrick Henry.

At 40, served in Congress for two years.

At 41, was the American minister to France and
negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin
and John Adams.

At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under
George Washington.

At 53, served as Vice President and was elected
president of the American Philosophical Society.

At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the
active head of Republican Party.

At 57, was elected the third president of the United
States.

At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the
nation’s size.

At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

At 65, retired to Monticello.

At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe
Doctrine.

At 81, almost single-handedly created the University
of Virginia and served as its first president.

At 83, died on the 50 th anniversary of the Signing of
the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.

Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the
previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the
nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more
than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice
from the past to lead us in the future:

John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a
group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this
statement: “This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to
gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas
Jefferson dined alone.”
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities,
as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own
debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars
of the world.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can
prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the
pretense of taking care of them.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“My reading of history convinces me that most bad
government results from too much government.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
against tyranny in government.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to
time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the
propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and
tyrannical.”
— Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

“I believe that banking institutions are more
dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive
the people of all property – until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered.”