Speaking of Black Confederates

THE PRIVATE SOLDIER.

6. In the fullest sense, any man in the military service who receives pay, whether sworn in or not, is a soldier, because he is subject to military law. Under this general head, laborers, teamsters, sutlers, chaplains, &c. are soldiers. In a more limited sense, a private soldier is a man enlisted in the military service to serve in the cavalry, artillery, or infantry. He is said to be enlisted when he has been examined, his duties of obedience explained to him, and after he has taken the prescribed oath.

General August Kautz’s, USA,”Customs of Service, for Non-Commissioned Officers and Soldiers” (1864), page. 11

Anyone interested in the subject in S.H.A.P.E.’s Negros in Gray website at http://negrosingrey.southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/page.php?2 you can find the names and numbers of about 10,000 Negroes who served the Confederacy.

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This is a surprise

“Then Sir, we will give them the bayonet”

Al Mackey has screamed and insulted through many blog comments that do not agree with his “it was all about slavery” agenda when speaking of the War For Southern Independence. he has posted the Declarations of Secession as concrete proof of his claim. Yet as it is easy to see these documents are not declarations of war and are only grievances that the Southern states had with the United States government.

I am sure he has not changed his stripes at this point, and more than likely never will. Keeping that fact in mind, I wonder if he realizes he posted this statement: This is Gary Gallagher speaking on remembering the Civil War, and specifically on the fact that the majority of Union soldiers were motivated by the desire to preserve the Union, something in the modern-day we’ve seemed to have forgotten. This statement can be found at http://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/remembering-union-as-a-motivator/

I’ll admit I have no clue who Gary Gallagher may be, but apparently it is someone Mackey looks up to and admires as being knowledge about the War For Southern Independence. I may not never again agree with Gallagher or Mackey, but this is one time I am solidly in their corner.

Before all of the crawfishing and counter arguments on this statement begin, let me ask you this one question if the Yankees were not fighting to free the slaves, then why on earth would the Confederates fight for something they were in no danger of losing???

As always anyone who thinks they have absolute proof that the South was fighting for the institution of slavery, you are free to post your sources.

Great grandfather who helped end slavery????

Here is a story that gives first hand accounts of the atrocities commited by Sherman on his march through Georgia. http://peoplesworld.org/great-grandfather-who-helped-end-slavery-and-save-a-nation-remembered#PageComment_232292

Here are my comments I posted to the article but they have not appeared at this time.

This would be a good story if all of it was true. For instance the tens of thousands of Negroes to the Union Army. How about those that was conscripted and dragged away from their crying families??? I do like the firsthand accounts of the looting, burning and destruction done to the South by the invaders. This is something that most Yankee historians and scholars deny. See my website http://confederatepows.southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/page.php?6
As to freeing the slaves, the freeing of the slaves wasn’t a goal at the beginning of the war. The passing of the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves belonging to the REBELS. It should be noted West Virginia came into the Union as a slave state.
And then we have this about the great victory parade —-
No Black Veterans in the Army of Emancipation Grand Review:

“More surprising [in the Washington Grand Review of the federal armies] was the exclusion from the parade of the black Union regiments, some of which had fought a good deal longer than the white units on parade. A number of observers commented on their absence, the Inquirer concluding that “by some process it was arranged that none should be here….They can afford to wait. Their time will yet come.”

The few blacks in the review marched as parts of “pick and shovel” brigades or were included as comic relief. Two large black soldiers with Sherman’s army, for example, were displayed “riding on very small mules, their feet nearly touching the ground.”

Captured slaves were described as “odd looking “contrabands” dressed in all the colors that ever adorned Joseph’s coat.” In the rear of the First Pennsylvania, one such captive, mounted on a solitary Confederate mule, “created much laughter, in which the President and others joined heartily” as he was carried past the reviewing stand.

Neither the free black nor the free black soldier was to be the hero of this national pageant; instead, each was relegated a secondary, rather uneasy position within it. The exclusion of blacks from the celebration was a clear message about the sort of Union the white [Northern] veterans felt they had preserved.” (Glorious Contentment, The Grand Army of the Republic, Stuart McConnell, UNC Press, 1992, pp. 8-9)

Memorial Day- The OBSERVANCE Stolen From The South.

The Yankee invaders came South and burned, raped and stole their way through the land. In the end they even stole the idea of honoring their dead from the South. Logan’s General Order No. 11
HEADQUARTERS GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC
General Orders No.11, WASHINGTON, D.C., May 5, 1868
1. The 30th day of May, 1868, is designated for the purpose of strewing with flowers or otherwise decorating the graves of comrades who died in defense of their country during the late rebellion, and whose bodies now lie in almost every city, village, and hamlet church-yard in the land. In this observance no form of ceremony is prescribed, but posts and comrades will in their own way arrange such fitting services and testimonials of respect as circumstances may permit.

We are organized, comrades, as our regulations tell us, for the purpose among other things, “of preserving and strengthening those kind and fraternal feelings which have bound together the soldiers, sailors, and marines who united to suppress the late rebellion.” What can aid more to assure this result than cherishing tenderly the memory of our heroic dead, who made their breasts a barricade between our country and its foes? Their soldier lives were the reveille of freedom to a race in chains, and their deaths the tattoo of rebellious tyranny in arms. We should guard their graves with sacred vigilance. All that the consecrated wealth and taste of the nation can add to their adornment and security is but a fitting tribute to the memory of her slain defenders. Let no wanton foot tread rudely on such hallowed grounds. Let pleasant paths invite the coming and going of reverent visitors and fond mourners. Let no vandalism of avarice or neglect, no ravages of time testify to the present or to the coming generations that we have forgotten as a people the cost of a free and undivided republic.

If other eyes grow dull, other hands slack, and other hearts cold in the solemn trust, ours shall keep it well as long as the light and warmth of life remain to us.

Let us, then, at the time appointed gather around their sacred remains and garland the passionless mounds above them with the choicest flowers of spring-time; let us raise above them the dear old flag they saved from hishonor; let us in this solemn presence renew our pledges to aid and assist those whom they have left among us a sacred charge upon a nation’s gratitude, the soldier’s and sailor’s widow and orphan.

2. It is the purpose of the Commander-in-Chief to inaugurate this observance with the hope that it will be kept up from year to year, while a survivor of the war remains to honor the memory of his departed comrades. He earnestly desires the public press to lend its friendly aid in bringing to the notice of comrades in all parts of the country in time for simultaneous compliance therewith.

3. Department commanders will use efforts to make this order effective.

By order of

JOHN A. LOGAN,
Commander-in-Chief

N.P. CHIPMAN,
Adjutant General

Official:
WM. T. COLLINS, A.A.G.
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http://lowndes.msghn.org/Friendship/Friendship.shtml
This below taken from the Beginning of the Friendship Cemetery Books at the Columbus-Lowndes Library:

Written in 1979 …….

Friendship Cemetery was founded May 30, 1849 on a five acre parcel owned and operated by the Union Lodge No. 35 of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows. In 1957, when the Odd Fellows deeded the cemetery to the City of Columbus, it had expanded to its present fifty-five acres. The first recorded burial here was of Mary Elizabeth Sinclair who died July 16, 1849. There are several tombstones bearing earlier dates, but are of persons moved to Friendship from other cemeteries. With the exception of the Civil War years and a period between 1900 and 1918, the records have been fairly well kept and preserved; however, there are many persons buried without gravestones, for others the ravages of time have erased their markers.

Over the past two years many broken and discarded gravestones have been repaired and replaced. On page 335 is a list of names taken from these markers which had not been recorded in the burial books, making it impossible to place them on their proper graves. It has been our endeavor to correlate the information gathered from the tombstones with that recorded in the burial books.

During the Civil War years two portions of the cemetery were set aside for the burial of confederate soldiers. The outline in the burial book indicates the number of confederate dead to be 2, 194; however, in 1934 1,260 marble markers were installed and only 47 of those were inscribed with names. In 1976, with the discovery of an older record book, the names, units and grave numbers of an additional 298 soldiers and one nurse were revealed.

These were added to our known list of confederate dead, and their markers are now installed. The remainder of the markers bear the inscription of “Unknown Confederate Soldier.” In many cases there are discrepancies between the dates on the gravestones and in the burial books. The birth and death dates have been taken from the markers when available, but, if there is a variance of more than a few days, the date from the marker is noted in parentheses.

Both Confederate and Union soldiers who died in the 1862 Battle of Shiloh are buried in Friendship Cemetery at 14th Avenue and Fourth Street.

Friendship Cemetery in Columbus, has been called “Where Flowers Healed A Nation”? On April 25, 1866 the ladies of Columbus, Mississippi decided to decorate both Confederate and Union soldiers’ graves with garlands and bouquets of beautiful flowers. As a direct result of this kind gesture, Americans celebrate what has come to be called MEMORIAL DAY each year.
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To prove that this observance began in the South (more than likely Mississippi as noted above not Petersburg) we have this Yankee website that proves this point —-

http://memorialdayorigin.info/logan.html

Cold, Cruel and Calculating Enemy

Cold, Cruel and Calculating Enemy

It should be remembered that Grant, with the approval of Lincoln, refused to exchange prisoners of war to ease their suffering as both engaged in a war of attrition against Americans in the South. They knew that their released prisoners would return home and fight no more; the released Southerner, though weak and emaciated, returned to the ranks.

Bernhard Thuersam, Chairman
North Carolina War Between the States Sesquicentennial Commission
“Unsurpassed Valor, Courage and Devotion to Liberty”
http://www.ncwbts150.com
“The Official Website of the North Carolina WBTS Sesquicentennial”

Cold, Cruel and Diabolical Enemy

“I began, now, to find that the Yankee masters, mates, and sailors rather liked being paroled [after their ships were captured]; they would sometimes remind us of it, if they thought we were in danger of forgetting it. It saved them from being conscripted [upon their return home], unless the enemy was willing first to exchange them; and nothing went so hard with the enemy than to exchange a prisoner.

With cold-blooded cruelty, the enemy had already counted his chances of success, as based upon the relative numbers of the two combatants, and found that, by killing a given number of our prisoners by long confinement – the same number as being killed by us, by the same process – he could beat us!

In pursuance of this diabolical policy, he threw every possible obstacle in the way of exchanges, and toward the latter part of the war put a stop to them nearly entirely. Our prisons were crowded with his captured soldiers. We were hard pressed for provisions, and found it difficult to feed them, and we were even destitute of medicines and hospital stores, owing to the barbarous nature of the war that was being made upon us.

Not even a bottle of quinine or an ounce of calomel was allowed to cross the border, if the enemy could prevent it. With a full knowledge of these facts, he permitted his soldiers to sigh and weep away their lives in hopeless captivity – coolly “calculating,” that one Confederate life was worth, when weighed in the balance of final success, from three to four lives of his own men!

The enemy, since the war, has become alarmed at the atrocity of his conduct, and at the judgment which posterity will likely pass upon it, and has set himself at work, to falsify history, with his usual disregard for truth. Committees have been raised, in the Federal Congress, composed if unscrupulous partisans, whose sole object it was, to prepare the false material, with which to mislead the future historian.

Fortunately for the Southern people, there is one little record which it is impossible to obliterate. More men perished in Northern prisons, where food and medicines were abundant, than in Southern prisons, where they were deficient – and this, too, though the South held the greater number of prisoners.”

(Memories of Service Afloat, Raphael Semmes, LSU Press, 1996/original 1868, pp. 266-267)

Stupid Things Rob Baker Says About the Civil War

http://historicstruggle.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/stupid-things-people-say-about-the-civil-war-part-5/Stupid Things People Say About the Civil War: Part 5
Posted on May 12, 2014 by Rob Baker
(Edited for length)

Who fired the first shot isn’t material. Who initiated the aggression is what’s material. The first shot was a response, not the initiating factor. It was, in fact, a response TO aggression that had already been initiated.

I’m assuming said person meant “immaterial” rather than “isn’t material.” Interesting train of logic though. So the first shot does not matter, the acts of aggression matter. How can we call what Anderson did, an act of aggression? He simply moved soldiers from an inferior position to a stronger one. This was actually a maneuver that included the withdrawal of troops from a fort to man a fort already under his command. In doing so, Anderson allowed Confederates to take over that fort. His maneuver was one of defense as Confederate troops established seize positions in and around a Federally owned piece of property. A piece of property he legally refused to surrender after an illegal demand to do so. Despite all that, if aggression is what provoked justifiable response, then the Confederates are guilty. They seized federal installations in and around the South by force of arms deposing United States soldiers as they went. All of this, long before Fort Sumter.

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This is nothing more than spinning history at its finest. Nothing Baker says about Anderson moving is true. First of all Anderson had no orders or no reason to move and was ordered to stay at Sumter. By moving to Sumter Anderson had violated a peace agreement. Second when Doubleday landed at Sumter he took prisoners. Third the Union fired the first shot.

Despite all that, if aggression is what provoked justifiable response, then the Confederates are guilty. They seized federal installations in and around the South by force of arms deposing United States soldiers as they went. All of this, long before Fort Sumter.

Baker if there is any event, other than Sumter, that is recognized, by both the North and South, as the start of the war please post it and sources that say this is where the war started.

Rob Baker you cannot tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob Baker posted on his blog at http://historicstruggle.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/stupid-things-people-say-about-the-civil-war-part-4/

that I was banned because of

  • Jerry,

    This will be the first and last time a comment of yours is allowed through. George is not allowed to comment on my blog due to the rampant, unapologetic racism he exhibited toward one commenter on this blog. Sadly, after viewing a couple of the posts on your blog, you are much worse. I’d rather not have that vile spew all over my website. With that, I bid you adieu. Have a Dixie Day

To that I say Rob you do not and cannot tell the truth. I know exactly what I said and it was in response to demeaning insulting insults about me and my heritage. If you cannot tell the truth about you own pages how can anyone believe you when iit comes to history.

To that I say Rob you do not and cannot tell the truth. I know exactly what I said and it was in response to demeaning insulting insults about me and my heritage. If you cannot tell the truth about you own pages how can anyone believe you when it comes to history. I did notice that you so kindly edited out the part where I said I had rather serve with the Black woman and the trannie than I had 2 dozen white boys like you. How convenient.

If you and Isabel are gonna play the game you had better put on your big boy pants.

Here is what I said nothing changed not even my mis-spelled words.

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http://historicstruggle.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/isabels-coca-cola-response/

George Purvis says:

Long winded ain’t you? You only have a couple of comments worth replying to so let’s get started.

Yes I remember you. You were the person whom Rod hid behind when he wanted to attack me.
On the issue of immigration – http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/montebello-flag.htm
That pretty much says it all.
“asked if I needed you to name any more bigots need there to be less bigoted people.”
A good place to start would be with You, Rod Baker, Al, Mackey, Jimmy Dick, Andy Hall, Brooks Simpson and possibly Corey Meyers.

“It just so happens that Ms. Chastain and her peers are white – and are specifically complaining about the lack of whiteness”
It is the right of Miss Chastain to complain about the ad. That right is called freedom of speech. The fact that you call her and her peers a bigot is wrong on so many levels, especially since we can look at other races in this country and see how they get preferred treatment. Take for instance Black History Month. I believe Cinco de Mayo is covered in the link above
“your lack of education or maybe understanding of grammar, that sets us a bit apart though.’
Yes I know your greatness shines through, I was sure if I am supposed to kiss your feet or just simply bow down. Now what I lack in formal education, I more than make up in my own research. This fact is supported by the posts of all those good folks I mentioned above, who in their best efforts of spinning the truth, insults and outright lies cannot prove me wrong. [Edit: Off Topic]
“No, you cannot be considered patriotic if you are going around the internet spewing vile like Ms. Chastain. Your website is for the advancement of a nation conquered and no longer in existence.”

What vile have I spewed? You may not agree with me as to historical fact but what vile have I spewed? As to SHAPE you read the whole website amazing. You are truly great!!! Not one other person on this planet could have read that website in the time you did. Good job I am impressed. The fact the Confederacy lost and no longer exists doesn’t mean we should change history does it? The Roman Empire no longer exists but we still study that period in history. Dinosaurs no longer live so why study that period? Tell me exactly what is wrong with the fact I post historical fact. Are you trying to tell me that I have no right to honor my ancestors and the truth about cause in which they fought? I have no right to honor their sacrifice and their bravery? Who do you think you are to tell me what rights I have?
Rob studies history and teaches our country’s youth. That’s a person that is patriotic. Also, I’d garner a guess that you probably don’t feel the same about a Black WOMAN who serves the country or a TRANSGENDERED MAN who serves
Rob, like Dick is a joke. Neither of them can make a factual argument without the help of someone else. If Rob is patriotic in that respect then so am I. The fact the two of you didn’t serve just proves you have less skin in the game so to speak. The Black woman or transgender man who serves is fine with me. They serve that is more than you and Rob did. Making statements like you have just made only serves to prove your bigotry.
“The Historical Baggage would be left at the door, but guess what type of people bring it back time and again?”

In the next couple of days I am going to make a post to Cold Southern Steel for the purpose of addressing this statement. At this time let me just say this, since you zipped through the SHAPE website in record time, how about you do this, take the blogs of any of those people I mentioned about and go through their archives. It should take you more than twenty minutes; note that each and everyone one of them trolls the web in search of southern people or events to attack.

Oh I have not been to Puerto Rico. Know a ton of service men that have been to San Juan. They all say that place is a dump is that true? They even have a special name for but you and you delicate felling would find it insulting.

    • Hello again, Jorge! Que bueno ver tus estupideces hoy!
      I’m shocked you believe in Dinosaurs.
      I personally don’t think patriotism is that big a virtue. I also don’t think serving in the military makes anyone better or less better than a civilian. You can keep bringing up that point as if you’re hurting my feelings, but I don’t care to be in a military career. I don’t always agree with my country – that’s patriotism.
      Tú eres un viejo amargado porque estás perdiendo lo que crees que es tu poder sobre otras personas. No me quitan el sueño tus malas crianzas. Yo no tengo mucha paciencia para personas como tú. No me importa lo que digas de mi isla y me importa menos lo que piensas de mi porque de veras eres solamente un imbécil – y si tiro una peceta le doy a muchos más. Hoy es viernes, no hay mucho que hacer en el trabajo y yo encuentro tus estupideces tan chistosas que te sigo hablando. “Vete-pal’-carajo-carbón!” Estoy casi segura que eso te dirían a ti por ser pendejo, pero a mí me darían arroz con gandules y lechón frito después de un abrazo. Sabes porque la isla está en esa situación, es en parte por ser colonia de los E.E. U.U. Yo creo que como buena Boricua te dejo tranquilito, porque no creo que puedas pensar mucho más de lo que has hecho en estos últimos días. Me imagino que estas cansado de dar perretas, y si no, yo estoy súper cansada de que las des. Has me el favor, deja de avergonzarte no te queda bien el llanto. Hasta luego, y sigue comiendo mierda con los tuyos – que los míos ya mismo serán tu presidente o peor…

  • I didn’t have my phone with me during the day which allowed me to let my mind wander. And I thought of an ironic thing related to this ad. I’m going to speak in generalizations here, but I mostly mean white people like George and Connie… which have a weird chip on their shoulder about the world.

    The irony here is that I would say the majority of media, books, commercials, tv shows, basically in most forms of communication white people are well represented. So well represented that the absence of their whiteness creates this weird moment where some white folks feel the need to point it out. While pointing this out, said white people (in this case, really) have used words that are used usually by minorities to point out white privilege in society. So here, George managed to use the word tolerance — though he used it in the wrong way — he sees this as an injustice, and has been taught, directly or indirectly, that he is justified in his outrage because most of the time whiteness is represented in many forms — so why would anyone choose to purposely leave it out!? Outrage! So white folks get to use the words racist, bigoted, hatred in a context where none of it is happening, but it “feels” like it because they are maybe so used to feeling represented that they don’t realize it’s to the point leaving out huge chunks of humanity…

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I think this may be playing into the reaction from people that somehow feel left out of progress…progress they reject. I mean, George and Connie, are walking contradictions right now. On the one hand they’re all, “be my kind of American!” and on the other they’re all, “Confederacy doesn’t exist except in my mind! F#$@ the Union!”

    It’s bizarre all around…

    • “So here, George managed to use the word tolerance — though he used it in the wrong way — he sees this as an injustice, and has been taught, directly or indirectly, that he is justified in his outrage becausemost of the time whiteness is represented in many forms — so why would anyone choose to purposely leave it out!?”

      gee with your superoior education and your shining greatness you should be able to understand exactly I meant.

      • Don’t flatter yourself Jorge. I can barely understand what you write, and I am well-educated. I think that you have NEVER in your life reflected on why you react or feel a certain way, and it’s just not my place to figure that out for you. I am mainly making a broader point, and it wasn’t just for you as an audience.

        • Your highness please grated me your most gracious tolerence and pardon my ignorance. for I did not realize to whom I speak..

          Oh as to the balck woman and the trannie in service. Rather have those two beside me in a good fight than a dozen from Pureto Rico.

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Rob Baker says:

Thanks for those Al. Sadly, George won’t be joining us anymore on this blog. Heartbreaking I know, but the Peurto Rico comment was his grand finale.

Now lie you way out of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!