In Response To Al Mackey’s Comments —

“Then sir we will give the bayonet”

Posted at ——http://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/lack-of-logic-and-confederate-heritage/ and http://parispi.net/articles/2014/02/24/opinion/columns/doc530b8a3234b1a053115116.txt#rate

I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in Al Mackey’s statement about selected quotes and poor history, his blog at http://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/  is filled with selected quotes and poor history. I know I have challenged Mr. Mackey on many of his so-called facts to the point he has banned me from posting. Anyone with a knowledge of history can easily see that Mr. Mackey is biased in his posts and only uses the facts or facts that he makes up, to support his agenda. Shall we take a look at his response here?

Treason. While the patriots of 1776 may have committed treason, which I doubt, the Confederate did not. If they committed treason who did they commit treason against? Not the United States. They had formed their own country and were defending themselves against an invader. No Confederates were charged with treason—ever. The Confederates DID draw away from the United States by submitting documents known as The Ordinances of Secession. This was their Declaration of Independence. There was no treason; Mackey just uses the Constitution as a smoke and mirror tactic to confuse the issue. To prove my point of no treason Abe Lincoln said— “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable – a most sacred right – a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.”

On secession and slavery. Slavery was an issue to some states. So were Indian raids. I remind you that Mackey said the above article was filled with selected quotes. What about Mackey’s quote taken from the Mississippi Declaration of Immediate cause? Isn’t that a selected quote top support his agenda? Mackey could have very easily used this quote from the same document— “It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.”  

To read these documents and to see All of the Causes one can go to http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

In fact slavery was legal under the US. Constitution—“Section 9

1:  The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”

In other words a slave could be imported into the United States for a neat little sum of 10 bucks. The Confederate Constitution outlawed the importation of slaves.

 

The election of 1860 saw the election of Abe Lincoln as president. Mackey tries to tie slavery in with this election. If Lincoln is to be believed he made this statement in his inaugural speech —“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” http://www.ushistory.org/documents/lincoln1.htm

To add more to this point, if the secession issue was all about slavery, and then the seceded states would have taken the Crittenden Compromise which guaranteed slavery’s existence. http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/critten.html

Mackey says the United States didn’t rebel against Britain because of slavery, but the Confederates left the Union because of slavery. For this reason Mackey says the Confederate flags should not be displayed it is a racist symbol. Well Mackey please name one slave ship that flew a Confederate flag. Now speaking of racism, it is a fact more un-armed Negroes died because of Gen. Banks expedition into Louisiana than the number of armed Negroes killed in battle during the whole war. I have example of example of Yankee atrocity documented against both Negros and white during the war. Go to http://confederatepows.southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/page.php?6

And read of these atrocities for yourself.

On a closing note I have challenged Mackey to prove treason or prove that secession was illegal. He has failed to do so at this time. He even failed to participate in a discussion regarding secession at   http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/chat-room/ I know he gets notifications of post made to this forum.

George Purvis                                                                                    Southern Heritage Advancement Preservation and Education

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For Rob Baker

I am here Rob

This was supposed to be a continuation of the discussion at http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/chat-room/ regarding any laws passed that outlaw secession.  Seems someone,Thad,  a Southern Patriot, with a real or fake name came to the discussion and kicked the some serious  Yankee butt with his or her  knowledge of the constitution. In fact this person was so knowledgeable Brooks Simpson could find no other reason to ban this “Thad”  other than  the fact our opponents suspected Thad might not be who said he was.

At any rate Rob Baker over at the Historic Struggle http://historicstruggle.wordpress.com/ wanted to continue the discussion  so I gave him a forum to do so. needless to say he hasn’t the backbone to show up. I would have went to his place but he lacks facts so he loves the edit delete button and banned me because of a trumped up charge of racism. Oh well that is the only card he had to play.

I am still waiting Rob, grow a set and show up.

Rest In Peace Little Rebel

Shirley Temple, iconic child star, dies at 85
http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=851739>1=28101

Feb. 11, 2014, 6:38 AM EST
WOODSIDE, Calif. (AP) — Shirley Temple, the dimpled, curly-haired child star who sang, danced, sobbed and grinned her way into the hearts of Depression-era moviegoers, has died, according to publicist Cheryl Kagan. She was 85.

Temple, known in private life as Shirley Temple Black, died Monday night at about 11 p.m. at her home near San Francisco. She was surrounded by family members and caregivers, Kagan said.

“We salute her for a life of remarkable achievements as an actor, as a diplomat, and most importantly as our beloved mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, and adored wife for fifty-five years of the late and much missed Charles Alden Black,” a family statement said.

A talented and ultra-adorable entertainer, Shirley Temple was America’s top box-office draw from 1935 to 1938, a record no other child star has come near. She beat out such grown-ups as Clark Gable, Bing Crosby, Robert Taylor, Gary Cooper and Joan Crawford.

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In 1999, the American Film Institute ranking of the top 50 screen legends ranked Temple at No. 18 among the 25 actresses. She appeared in scores of movies and kept children singing “On the Good Ship Lollipop” for generations.

Temple was credited with helping save 20th Century Fox from bankruptcy with films such as “Curly Top” and “The Littlest Rebel.” She even had a drink named after her, an appropriately sweet and innocent cocktail of ginger ale and grenadine, topped with a maraschino cherry.

Temple blossomed into a pretty young woman, but audiences lost interest, and she retired from films at 21. She raised a family and later became active in politics and held several diplomatic posts in Republican administrations, including ambassador to Czechoslovakia during the historic collapse of communism in 1989.

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“I have one piece of advice for those of you who want to receive the lifetime achievement award. Start early,” she quipped in 2006 as she was honored by the Screen Actors Guild.

But she also said that evening that her greatest roles were as wife, mother and grandmother. “There’s nothing like real love. Nothing.” Her husband of more than 50 years, Charles Black, had died just a few months earlier.

They lived for many years in the San Francisco suburb of Woodside.

Temple’s expert singing and tap dancing in the 1934 feature “Stand Up and Cheer!” first gained her wide notice. The number she performed with future Oscar winner James Dunn, “Baby Take a Bow,” became the title of one of her first starring features later that year.

Also in 1934, she starred in “Little Miss Marker,” a comedy-drama based on a story by Damon Runyon that showcased her acting talent. In “Bright Eyes,” Temple introduced “On the Good Ship Lollipop” and did battle with a charmingly bratty Jane Withers, launching Withers as a major child star, too.

She was “just absolutely marvelous, greatest in the world,” director Allan Dwan told filmmaker-author Peter Bogdanovich in his book “Who the Devil Made It: Conversations With Legendary Film Directors.” ”With Shirley, you’d just tell her once and she’d remember the rest of her life,” said Dwan, who directed “Heidi” and “Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.” ”Whatever it was she was supposed to do — she’d do it. … And if one of the actors got stuck, she’d tell him what his line was — she knew it better than he did.”

Temple’s mother, Gertrude, worked to keep her daughter from being spoiled by fame and was a constant presence during filming. Her daughter said years later that her mother had been furious when a director once sent her off on an errand and then got the child to cry for a scene by frightening her. “She never again left me alone on a set,” she said.

Temple became a nationwide sensation. Mothers dressed their little girls like her, and a line of dolls was launched that are now highly sought-after collectables. Her immense popularity prompted President Franklin D. Roosevelt to say that “as long as our country has Shirley Temple, we will be all right.”

“When the spirit of the people is lower than at any other time during this Depression, it is a splendid thing that for just 15 cents, an American can go to a movie and look at the smiling face of a baby and forget his troubles,” Roosevelt said.

She followed up in the next few years with a string of hit films, most with sentimental themes and musical subplots. She often played an orphan, as in “Curly Top,” where she introduced the hit “Animal Crackers in My Soup,” and “Stowaway,” in which she was befriended by Robert Young, later of “Father Knows Best” fame.

She teamed with the great black dancer Bill “Bojangles” Robinson in two 1935 films with Civil War themes, “The Little Colonel” and “The Littlest Rebel.” Their tap dance up the steps in “The Little Colonel” (at a time when interracial teamings were unheard-of in Hollywood) became a landmark in the history of film dance.

Some of her pictures were remakes of silent films, such as “Captain January,” in which she recreated the role originally played by the silent star Baby Peggy Montgomery in 1924. “Poor Little Rich Girl” and “Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm,” done a generation earlier by Mary Pickford, were heavily rewritten for Temple, with show biz added to the plots to give her opportunities to sing.

In its review of “Rebecca,” the show business publication Variety complained that a “more fitting title would be ‘Rebecca of Radio City.'”

She won a special Academy Award in early 1935 for her “outstanding contribution to screen entertainment” in the previous year.

“She is a legacy of a different time in motion pictures. She caught the imagination of the entire country in a way that no one had before,” actor Martin Landau said when the two were honored at the Academy Awards in 1998.

Temple’s fans agreed. Her fans seemed interested in every last golden curl on her head: It was once guessed that she had more than 50. Her mother was said to have done her hair in pin curls for each movie, with every hairstyle having exactly 56 curls.

On her eighth birthday — she actually was turning 9, but the studio wanted her to be younger — Temple received more than 135,000 presents from around the world, according to “The Films of Shirley Temple,” a 1978 book by Robert Windeler. The gifts included a baby kangaroo from Australia and a prize Jersey calf from schoolchildren in Oregon.

“She’s indelible in the history of America because she appeared at a time of great social need, and people took her to their hearts,” the late Roddy McDowall, a fellow child star and friend, once said.

Although by the early 1960s, she was retired from the entertainment industry, her interest in politics soon brought her back into the spotlight.

She made an unsuccessful bid as a Republican candidate for Congress in 1967. After Richard Nixon became president in 1969, he appointed her as a member of the U.S. delegation to the United Nations General Assembly. In the 1970s, she was U.S. ambassador to Ghana and later U.S. chief of protocol.

She then served as ambassador to Czechoslovakia during the administration of the first President Bush. A few months after she arrived in Prague in mid-1989, communist rule was overthrown in Czechoslovakia as the Iron Curtain collapsed across Eastern Europe.

“My main job (initially) was human rights, trying to keep people like future President Vaclav Havel out of jail,” she said in a 1999 Associated Press interview. Within months, she was accompanying Havel, the former dissident playwright, when he came to Washington as his country’s new president.

She considered her background in entertainment an asset to her political career.

“Politicians are actors too, don’t you think?” she once said. “Usually if you like people and you’re outgoing, not a shy little thing, you can do pretty well in politics.”

Born in Santa Monica to an accountant and his wife, Temple was little more than 3 years old when she made her film debut in 1932 in the Baby Burlesks, a series of short films in which tiny performers parodied grown-up movies, sometimes with risque results.

Among the shorts were “War Babies,” a parody of “What Price Glory,” and “Polly Tix in Washington,” with Shirley in the title role.

Her young life was free of the scandals that plagued so many other child stars — parental feuds, drug and alcohol addiction — but Temple at times hinted at a childhood she may have missed out on.

She stopped believing in Santa Claus at age 6, she once said, when “Mother took me to see him in a department store and he asked for my autograph.”

After her years at the top, maintaining that level of stardom proved difficult for her and her producers. The proposal to have her play Dorothy in “The Wizard of Oz” didn’t pan out. (20th Century Fox chief Darryl Zanuck refused to lend out his greatest asset.) And “The Little Princess” in 1939 and “The Blue Bird” in 1940 didn’t draw big crowds, prompting Fox to let Temple go.

Among her later films were “The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer,” with Cary Grant, and “That Hagen Girl,” with Ronald Reagan. Several, including the wartime drama “Since You Went Away,” were produced by David O. Selznick. One, “Fort Apache,” was directed by John Ford, who had also directed her “Wee Willie Winkie” years earlier.

Her 1942 film, “Miss Annie Rooney,” included her first on-screen kiss, bestowed by another maturing child star, Dickie Moore.

After her film career effectively ended, she concentrated on raising her family and turned to television to host and act in 16 specials called “Shirley Temple’s Storybook” on ABC. In 1960, she joined NBC and aired “The Shirley Temple Show.”

Her 1988 autobiography, “Child Star,” became a best-seller.

Temple had married Army Air Corps private John Agar, the brother of a classmate at Westlake, her exclusive L.A. girls’ school, in 1945. He took up acting and the pair appeared together in two films, “Fort Apache” and “Adventure in Baltimore.” She and Agar had a daughter, Susan, in 1948, but she filed for divorce the following year.

She married Black in 1950, and they had two more children, Lori and Charles. That marriage lasted until his death in 2005 at age 86.

In 1972, she underwent successful surgery for breast cancer. She issued a statement urging other women to get checked by their doctors and vowed, “I have much more to accomplish before I am through.”

During a 1996 interview, she said she loved both politics and show business.

“It’s certainly two different career tracks,” she said, “both completely different but both very rewarding, personally.”

Taking on all neo-yankees

In Brooks Simpson’s blog page at http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/opinions-wanted-coca-colas-super-bowl-commercial/  and his Chat Room at http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/chat-room/

I made two statements ” Slavery Had nothing to do with the WBTS and Secession was not illegal.  At this time no one single person has been able to present any facts other than the Declarations of Secession and A. Stephens Corner stone speech . We know both of these document are not declarations of war.

 Jimmy Dick, whom I am led to believe is some sort of teacher and published I might add is the person presenting the most posts and they are nothing but insults. he can’t put two facts together to prove either of my statement wrong. he is a bigot with a biased agenda.  It is a shame this is the sort educators we have today.  

Now I am going back to the opinions on the Coke commercial and make a post. I want to see if they actually believe what they post.  I invite everyone to go there and read. Could be I am proven wrong.

 

Isabella

Commenting on  Rob Bakers blog posts at http://historicstruggle.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/isabels-coca-cola-response/?replytocom=2425#respond

They serve that is more than you and Rob did. Making statements like you have just made only serves to prove your bigotry.
“The Historical Baggage would be left at the door, but guess what type of people bring it back time and again?”

Well Isabella it is true you are a bigot and a racist. I notice you, Rob, Baker who has banned me from his blog and Jimmy Dick continue to make insults. That is fine it just serves to prove the ignorance the three of you wallow in. It is so true when you have no facts to present — INSULT. You 3 are living examples of that statement

Any way I just want to address your statement above. If you will go through the archives of Brooks Simpson, Corey Myer, Andy Hall and Rob Baker you will see they get their kicks by trolling the internet looking for Southern Heritage groups or events to take up an issue with. They are not historians by any stretch of the word.

 Now If you want to exchange facts with me you are more than welcome. I did notice when I posted the factual about the Mexican students taking down the US flag you made no comment. Why??? Does it go against you and your agenda of promoting the Hispanic culture and only attacking the white race?

As to the WBTS if you have the knowledge feel free to prove this statement wrong. Slavery had nothing to do with the war.

Let’s see how good you BS superior education is really worth.

 

Being a Neo-yankee

“Then sir , we will give them the bayonet”

 http://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/being-a-neoconfederate/#respond

Referencing to the above blog page, Al Mackey attempts to prove me wrong in some statements I made. While I don’t specifically remember making some of the statements, perhaps they were in something I copied and pasted to a page.  At any rate, I am a big strong fellow; I will take responsibility for these statements

 Let it be known that I DID post this passage to Brooks Simpson’s page at. This is the entire post. http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/welcome-to-the-blogosphere-jerry-dunford/?replytocom=29491#respond.

  • No law had ever been passed that explicitly outlawed secession, the argument simply having been sidestepped by events. From the legal point of view it would have been difficult to accuse Mr. Davis of having committed any crime. Judge Chase felt there was no strong legal case against him for having been the president of the Confederacy, and added, with a surprising wisdom: “Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis to escape, and he was right. His capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one. We cannot convict him of treason. Secession is settled. Let it stay settled.”

The Chase quote is from “The Long Surrender”, 1985, by Burke Davis
His sources are..
Southern Historical Papers, Vol. 37, pp 244-52
“Why Jefferson Davis Was Never Tried” by George S. Boutwell, is in ibid., Vol. 38. pp. 347-49.
“The U.S. vs. Jefferson Davis,” by Ray F. Nichols, American Historical Review, Vol. 3, No. 2, January 1926, pp 266 ff.
“The Trails and Trail of Jefferson Davis,” a paper read before the Virginia Bar Association 1900, and published by this organization.
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I have more references at http://southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2009180.post

Note that the posts are dated I have edited or posted anything new since the last date displayed.

Mackey in his excitement to prove Davis, Foote and myself wrong neglected to read or even follow-up on the link I provided, which would have saved him some time.  Instead he tries to break the sound barrier posting a page proving the three of us to be wrong.  Oh well, I guess it makes him feel good.

Because Mackey has supposingly again proved me wrong, Jimmy Dick feels like he has to chime in with more of his ignorant insults.  That is typical of Dick. He can’t prove me wrong by himself and with his facts so he hitches his wagon to another person’s wagon. He even wants me to post a reply to Mackey’s page. I would but I can’t because Mackey has banned me from posting to his pages. It appears that Mackey loves to hide behind the admin tools and insult people and post lies…

To be sure I had already proved the quote not too accurate on the link posted above and I have much more information posted in that thread. I will not post that info here.  I posted that quote for bait and look who took it!!!!

In order to get the information you must actually visit the Southern Heritage Advancement Preservation and Education website.

 Now about the law, let me just say this to Mackey and Dick – regardless if Chase made the statement or not it is certainly proving to be true since neither one of you has posted any law, or passage from the Constitution proving that statement to be inaccurate.